Forrest Fenn Notes

One thing I noticed is that even though there are very good “cheat sheets” out there that lists the “clues” and comments Forrest makes (eg. Dal or Jenny’s blog) there still are people posting comments….”When did Forrest say this?” or “Where did Forrest say that.”  So I’ve taken it upon myself to make the “one stop shop” of all of Forrest’s important clues and comments. As well as, adding significant references of when and where he said them.  Enjoy  🙂

Little Known Facts:

    • Tarry Scant means “Take the chest and get the hell out of here” (Dal’s Blog – Tarry Scant – October 1, 2019)
    • No Waterfalls – “You guys seem to be hung up on waterfalls. Don’t try to change my poem to fit your ideas.” (Dal’s Blog – Forrest Gets Mail from a Middle School Class – February 8, 2017) Update: Also see my email from Forrest.
    • Not under water – (Dal’s Blog- June 29, 2017)
    • Not “near the Rio Grande River” – (Dal’s Blog – June 29, 2017)
    • Not in the desert – (“If your solve is in the desert, get a new solve” – Mysterious Writing – June 16, 2017)
    • Not in a mine – (“The treasure is not hidden in a mine. A lotta these old mines are dangerous. I mean, they have snakes in ’em, they have black widow spiders!” – CBS New Sunday Morning / July 12th, 2015)
      • “The treasure is not in a tunnel someplace” – (Outside: Live Bravely – August 11, 2015)
    • Where warm waters halt is not a dam (“WWWH is not related to any dam”Dal’s blog, Scrapbook 68 / May 16, 2014)
    • More than 8.25 miles north of Santa Fe – (“more than 66,000 links north of Santa Fe” – Richard Shaunier’s blog Mountain Walk, Article Forrest Fenn: Land Surveyor / April 17, 2012)
    • Not on a mountain top, maybe close – (“It’s not on a top of any mountain…..it may be close to the top” – (Collected Works Bookstore Signing / October 22, 2013)
    • Not hidden in Idaho or Utah”  (Today Show / June 28, 2013)
    • Not in Canada – (Moby Dickens Book Shop Signing / November 2, 2013)
    • “not in a graveyard” (Today Show / May 3, 2013)
    • Located above 5,000 ft and below 10,200 ft  (“higher than 5000 feet” – Today Show / March 1, 2013)  (“hidden below 10,200 feet” – True West magazine / Decemeber 2013 issue)
    • Hidden “in the mountains somewhere north of Santa Fe”    (The Thrill of the Chase p. 151)
    • As of May 8, 2017: The Thrill of the Chase has sold (about) 22,000 copies. Too Far To Walk has sold 1,500-1,800 copies.

Fenn’s Fundamental Guidelines (from Dal’s Blog – February 5, 2016)

  • Don’t search anywhere an 80 year old man could not carry a heavy backpack.
  • The treasure is hidden more than 8.25 miles north of the northern limits of Santa Fe, NM.
  • The treasure is definitely in the Rocky Mountains

Weekly Advise From Fenn (from MysteriousWritings.com)

  • You don’t need to break anything to find the treasure. (7-7-2017)
  • I was 80 or about when I hid the treasure and it was not a difficult task. You don’t have to move big rocks or scale a precipice to get the treasure. Stay away from dangerous terrain. Much of the Rio Grande River is not in the Rocky Mountains. (6-16-2017)
  • I did follow the clues in the poem when I hid the treasure chest (6-5-2017)
  • If you knew the geographic location of each clue it would be a map to the treasure (4-5-2017)
  • If you think I could not have put it there, you are probably right (9-9-2016)
  • Don’t force the poem to fit your spot. (8-20-2016)
  • Chest weights 42 pounds plus, best to have gloves     (3-11-2016)
  • After reading (Dal’s Blog) I am prompted to ask, have you considered the what ifs   (3-4-2016)
  • Your destination is small, but its location is huge        (2-19-2016)
  • Don’t let logic distract you from the poem       (2-12-2016)
  • A good solve is frequently lost in a poor execution      (1-15-2016)
  • Complacency is the misuse of imagination        (12-19-2015)
  • If you know precisely where it is you can probably retrieve it in any weather                                                                           (12-11-2015)
  • Shut your engine off until spring                               (12-04-2015)
  • You will ignore the poem at your own peril        (11-27-2015)

Other things Forrest has said:

    • If “you can’t look at a map you certainty are at a disadvantage. I know where the treasure is hidden, but if I were blind even I couldn’t go to the spot.” (Dal – Forrest Gets Mail 20 – April 28, 2019)
    • What is a Blaze? “Anything that stands out.” (Dal’s Blog – Forrest Gets Mail from a Middle School Class – February 8, 2017)
    • The poem’s punctuation has no meaning towards the solution – (hintofriches.com – Fenn Clarifies Punctuation – August 14, 2018)
    • “The treasure chest is not under water, nor is it near the Rio Grande River. It is not necessary to move large rocks or climb up or down a steep precipice,” he writes. “Please remember that I was about 80 when I made two trips from my vehicle to where I hid the treasure.” – (CNBC – April 17, 2018)
    • “It helps to know something about Rocky Mountain geography when making plans to search for my treasure. Rocking chair ideas can lead one to the first few clues, but a physical presence is needed to complete the solve. Google Earth cannot help with the last clue.” – (MysteriousWritings Blog – Six Questions / February 4, 2008)
    • “Not under a man-made object” – (Dal’s Blog – June 29, 2017)
    • “The last time I was up there was 1950.” (Yellowstone or West Yellowstone) (Isaac Cole’s Podcast / On the Road With Charlie / May 8, 2017)
    • “It’s hidden in a pretty good place. It’s difficult to find, but certainty isn’t impossible.” (Isaac Cole’s Podcast / On the Road With Charlie / May 8, 2017)
    • “That poem was really written by an architect. Every word was placed in there strategically, and you can’t ignore any of the nouns.” (Isaac Cole’s Podcast / On the Road With Charlie / May 8, 2017)
    • Those who solve the first clue are more than half way to the treasure…” (Dal’s Site / SB 167 / February 25, 2017)
    • I hid the treasure in a place that is not especially difficult to reach.” (Westword – Forrest Fenn on Death of Randy Bilyeu / August 11, 2016)
    • Physics tells me the treasure is wet.” (MysteriousWritings Blog – Featured Question: Wet Physics / July 29, 2016)
    • “The solve is difficult for many searchers because their minds think the clues are tougher to decrypt than they really are. Until now I have resisted telling [searchers] to get back in the box where their thoughts are comfortable and flow more easily. The blueprint is challenging so the treasure may be located by the one who can adjust.” (MysteriousWritings Blog – Featured Question: Get Back in the Box / July 1, 2016)
    • I wish I had another treasure to hide in the Appalachians. The little girl in India cannot get closer than the first two clues.” (MysteriousWritings Blog – Six Questions with Forrest Fenn: Over Five Years of The Thrill of the Chase/ February 4, 2016)
      • In response to being asked: “Can a little girl in India, who speaks good English, only has your poem and a map of the US Rocky Mountains, work out where the treasure is?”
    • Until someone finds  the treasure they will not know for sure that they have discovered the first clue.” (Dal’s Blog – “Forrest Gets Mail – 9 / November 2, 2015)
    • “The problem searchers make is that they don’t dwell long enough on the first clue. If you can’t find the first clue you don’t have anything. People driving down the street looking for a blaze, because THAT’S ONE OF THE CLUES, but you can’t start in the middle of the poem and find the treasure.” (Outside: Live Bravely – August 11, 2015)
    • “If I was standing where the treasure chest is, I see trees, I see mountains, I see animals, I’ll smell wonderful smells of pine needles or pinon nuts, sage brush. And I know the treasure chest is wet.” – (New Mexico True Story – February 4, 2015)
      •  Forrest responded the next day saying“I just watched that New Mexico Tourism video again and must say that I didn’t say what I was thinking. You cannot smell a pinon nut, but those who pick them know that in doing so you get pine pitch all over your hands, and pine pitch smells about the same no matter what kind of pine tree you are talking about. Looking back I think I wanted to say I could smell pine needles, not pinon nuts. Sorry I kicked a hornet’s nest with that comment.” – (Dal’s Blog – Forrest LIVE on HuffPost.. / February 5, 2015)
      • Another response“That video didn’t have any clues.” “Fenn said if the treasure were in the wilderness, of course it would be wet….he erred in mentioning pinon nuts. He really meant pine needles” – (The New Mexican – February 8, 2015)
    • “What surprises me a little is that nobody to my uncertain knowledge has analyzed one important possibility related to the winning solve.” (MysteriousWritings Blog – Six Questions Yet Again with Forrest Fenn: Always a Treasure! / February 4, 2015)
      • …suggested that searchers consider the what ifs.” (MysteriousWritings Blog – Featured Question – The What Ifs – March 24, 2016)
    • “I will say that I walked less than a few miles (whole trip of hiding the chest and treasure) if that will help. I just looked “few” up and one definition is “scant.” Why do I sound like I’m talking in circles” – (MysteriousWritings Blog – Talking in Circles/ October 13, 2014)
    • “While it’s not impossible to remove the blaze it isn’t feasible to try, and I am certain it’s still there” (Dal’s Blog – The Nine Clues…Part Thirtyone / September 26, 2014)
    • The CE5 phrase on the treasure chest is of no value to searchers” (Dal’s Blog – The Nine Clues…Part Thirtyone / September 26, 2014)
    • “There are many places in the Rocky Mountains where warm waters halt, and nearly all of them are north of Santa Fe. Look at the big picture, there are no short cuts.” (MysteriousWritings Blog – Featured Questions: Warm Waters and Geography / August 12, 2014)
    • The spot where I hid the treasure was in my mind from the time I first started thinking about the chase. It is special to me and there was never another consideration. I was going to make it work no matter what.  In my reverie I often find myself stealing away to that place and I will always consider it to be mine.” (MysteriousWritings Blog – Questions with Forrest / July 5, 2014)
    • When I am in the moutains or in the desert, the last place I want to be is on a trail…..There isn’t a human trail in very close proximaty to where I hid the treasure” (MysteriousWritings Blog – Questions with Forrest / June 28, 2014)
    • No specialized knowledge is required…..My Thrill of the Chase book is enough to lead an average person to the treasure” (MysteriousWritings Blog – Questions with Forrest / June 27, 2014)
    • The clues did not exist when I was a kid but of most of the places the clues refer to did. I think they might still exist in 100 years.” (MysteriousWritings Blog – Questions with Forrest / June 25, 2014)
    • Many are giving serious thought to the clues in my poem, but only a few are in tight focus with a word that is key.” (MysteriousWritings Blog – Questions with Forrest / February 4, 2014)
    • When I hid it and was walking back to my car, I started laughing out loud and I said ‘Forrest Fenn…did you really do that?’” – (Moby Dickens Book Shop Signing / November 2, 2013)
    • There are several people that have deciphered the first two clues. I don’t think they knew it, because they walked right on past the treasure chest.”– (Moby Dickens Book Shop Signing / November 2, 2013)
    • I think kids have an advantage (finding the treasure). Don’t ask me to explain that.” – (Moby Dickens Book Shop Signing / November 2, 2013)
    • “…that’s why I told people I hid the treasure chest when I was 79 or 80 years old because I don’t want the exact date to be known because I’m afraid somebody will go check the rental car records and how many miles did Mr. Fenn put on the truck or the car…so I don’t answer those kinda questions…but shoot that person that sent in that email…” – (Moby Dickens Book Shop Signing / November 2, 2013)
    • “I have not had anybody tell me the answer to that clue (the unintended one in TFTW). If you read my preface it doesn’t take a genius to figure out, I think, what they’re talking about but…there are clues in my new book that can help a person.” – – (Moby Dickens Book Shop Signing / November 2, 2013)
    • “I’ve said before the treasure chest is heavy. And it…I made two trips to hide it where I wanted it to be.” – (Collected Works Bookstore Signing / October 22, 2013)
    • “What is wrong with me just riding my bike out there and throwing it in the ‘water high’ when I am through with it?” – (Dal’s Blog – “Forrest Gets Mail… / October 3, 2012)
    • “No need to look for the treasure in a place where a 79 or 80 year old man couldn’t go with a 44 pound treasure chest full of gold and precious gems.”  – (Dal’s Blog – “Forrest Gets Mail… / October 3, 2012)
    • “My church is in the mountains and along the river bottoms where dreams and fantasies alike go to play” (The Thrill of the Chase – page 4

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