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I’m currently working on organizing and updating this page. Please note that I have put the Forrest Fenn notes up on the menu. As well as, I created a link to see older posts. Also, someone had mentioned that I password protected the emails and I’m working to get that resolved. More coming soon 🙂
If you’re a devoted member of Fenn’s chase you’ve most likely have seen the “game changer” Forward written for Forrest Fenn’s new book Once Upon a While. This Forward, written by Douglas Preston, was made public on Jenny’s blog.
From this spurred one of the most thought provoking quotes in recent memory….
“The final clue, he said, would be where they found his car: in the parking lot of the Denver Museum of Nature and Science.”
But wait, in 2012 Forrest Fenn had told a news reporter, Tony Doukopil, this….
“So when Forrest puts his body next to the treasure and dies he’s afraid that people will find his car and the location of the car would be Northern Arizona University. So there could be some significance to Northern Arizona University.”
So which is it, parking in Denver or parking in Flagstaff?
The answer, at long last, tells us the search state……………….
Why you may ask?
Look at this map (see below). See how almost exact both locations are from Santa Fe, NM.
This about confirms that Forrest Fenn’s intention was to drive about 400 miles out-of-the-way, in a rental car, park and possibly take a bus back to New Mexico to hide the treasure and end his life.
I believe Fenn changed his mind about where to park his car (or where to say he was going to park his car), because Denver is, in a way, the center of the Rockies. From there he could of driven up or he could of driven south. But parking his car in Arizona there’s truly only one state he would be heading to.
One thing is for sure. Forrest Fenn’s friends know and have a lot more information about the chase and the treasure than any of us.
“If your solve is in the desert, get a new solve” – ff
Kind of a weird statement given my Fenn don’t you think? I mean, so far, the deaths and “mishaps” involving the treasure have all been centered around water. Nobody has died in the desert looking for his treasure. Nobody has been hurt in the desert looking for his treasure. So why mention this?
It gets weirder.
Take the map below.
I’m hardly seeing a desert threat for someone looking for the treasure in the “treasure states.” Particularly in New Mexico where the main concentration of desert land is south of Santa Fe.
I’m not big on everything Fenn says is a clue, but could this be one?
Are there any “deserts” hidden north of Santa Fe?
And it just so happens….
It’s just hugging the base of Sangre De Cristo Mountains range.
The “mountains” that are directly “north of Santa Fe“?
The mountains known as the blood of Christ. Didn’t Fenn say, “My church is in the mountains“? (A subtle clue from the book?)
Does Forrest Fenn want this treasure hunt over with soon?
Could this be a subtle clue to narrow down the search area, not just to the state, but to one particular mountain range?
If only I can find where warm waters halt…….. 😦
We have a family member getting married in Utah around the middle of May. So, we’ll be driving through New Mexico to spend a few days looking for the Forrest Fenn treasure!! After two years of postponing, 2017 is the year! Look for pictures of our adventures (and possibly the chest) soon!
UPDATE: Health issues in the family are preventing us from going. Here’s looking to 2018, prayers, and good health!
As with most prophecies, this one came to me in a dream. In my dream I was walking through the forest near the bottom of a mountain, I looked down and saw the shadow of the chest. When my eyes followed the shadow I saw it was projecting from beyond the horizon; to infinity. And then it spoke:
“Nigh I shall reveal
Until in the wood souls are lost;
Nine whose life I steal.
By earth, by water, and by frost.”
From what I can tell this is the first time the Forrest Fenn treasure has a curse attached to it. Or maybe its the last time I mix Tylenol and Benadryl before bed.
I’m sorry if it feels like I’ve forgotten about this site, I haven’t. I will try to write more in the future. From what I can see most people are interested in the Fenn quotes, but for now I think I’ll make this section for any emails I get from Forrest. (Note: I’m horrible at this site. I’m not sure how to format the margins or increase the size of the pictures. May need to right click – save. Again, sorry.)
Here’s another response in reply to this email. This reply was on June 7, 2018.
Me: Good seeing you in good health at Fennboree. I have seen some debate on the forums lately about using the book with the poem. As you have stated the poem is in the book, but we all know the poem is also on hundreds of websites. In this regard does one really need the book in order to solve the clues in the poem?
FF: No E, not really.
Me: …how many pages would it take to write down the solution AND steps in how to get there?
FF: Size of a sticky note.
Me: …..did you visit (your secret) in the winter? In the summertime? I guess what I’m asking is do you know what happens to your ‘secret’ during the season changes?
FF: Good question. I’ve only been there during the summer.
Me: Good afternoon Mr. Fenn, I have a hypothetical question: If the U.S. government fell today and all road signs, all government landmarks, and all labels and names removed from existence and maps….would it still be possible to solve the clues in the poem? Assuming of course nothing changed the actual physical landscaping of the Rockies. Basically when you mentioned the chase could last 1000 years, are you assuming so would the U.S. government and their duty to mark landmarks, etc.
FF: I could still go back and get the treasure.
On 10/15/2015 – Reply from an email chain
FF: Best wishes, Charles was very clever and I feel on to something (Not referring to the poem, but to a project Forrest and him had discussed in the past). Don’t spend a lot of time on the last page (of TTOTC) like he did, not unless you need a good font type. (I had mentioned Charles was heavily involved in solving the meaning of the Omegas)
One thing I noticed is that even though there are very good “cheat sheets” out there that lists the “clues” and comments Forrest makes (eg. Dal or Jenny’s blog) there still are people posting comments….”When did Forrest say this?” or “Where did Forrest say that.” So I’ve taken it upon myself to make the “one stop shop” of all of Forrest’s important clues and comments. As well as, adding significant references of when and where he said them. Enjoy 🙂
Little Known Facts:
- No Waterfalls – “You guys seem to be hung up on waterfalls. Don’t try to change my poem to fit your ideas.” (Dal’s Blog – Forrest Gets Mail from a Middle School Class – February 8, 2017) Update: Also see my email from Forrest.
- Not under water – (Dal’s Blog- June 29, 2017)
- Not “near the Rio Grande River” – (Dal’s Blog – June 29, 2017)
- Not in the desert – (“If your solve is in the desert, get a new solve” – Mysterious Writing – June 16, 2017)
- Not in a mine – (“The treasure is not hidden in a mine. A lotta these old mines are dangerous. I mean, they have snakes in ’em, they have black widow spiders!” – CBS New Sunday Morning / July 12th, 2015)
- “The treasure is not in a tunnel someplace” – (Outside: Live Bravely – August 11, 2015)
- Where warm waters halt is not a dam – (“WWWH is not related to any dam” – Dal’s blog, Scrapbook 68 / May 16, 2014)
- More than 8.25 miles north of Santa Fe – (“more than 66,000 links north of Santa Fe” – Richard Shaunier’s blog Mountain Walk, Article Forrest Fenn: Land Surveyor / April 17, 2012)
- Not on a mountain top, maybe close – (“It’s not on a top of any mountain…..it may be close to the top” – (Collected Works Bookstore Signing / October 22, 2013)
- “Not hidden in Idaho or Utah” (Today Show / June 28, 2013)
- Not in Canada – (Moby Dickens Book Shop Signing / November 2, 2013)
- “not in a graveyard” (Today Show / May 3, 2013)
- Located above 5,000 ft and below 10,200 ft (“higher than 5000 feet” – Today Show / March 1, 2013) (“hidden below 10,200 feet” – True West magazine / Decemeber 2013 issue)
- Hidden “in the mountains somewhere north of Santa Fe” (The Thrill of the Chase p. 151)
- As of May 8, 2017: The Thrill of the Chase has sold (about) 22,000 copies. Too Far To Walk has sold 1,500-1,800 copies.
Fenn’s Fundamental Guidelines (from Dal’s Blog – February 5, 2016)
- Don’t search anywhere an 80 year old man could not carry a heavy backpack.
- The treasure is hidden more than 8.25 miles north of the northern limits of Santa Fe, NM.
- The treasure is definitely in the Rocky Mountains
Weekly Advise From Fenn (from MysteriousWritings.com)
- You don’t need to break anything to find the treasure. (7-7-2017)
- I was 80 or about when I hid the treasure and it was not a difficult task. You don’t have to move big rocks or scale a precipice to get the treasure. Stay away from dangerous terrain. Much of the Rio Grande River is not in the Rocky Mountains. (6-16-2017)
- I did follow the clues in the poem when I hid the treasure chest (6-5-2017)
- If you knew the geographic location of each clue it would be a map to the treasure (4-5-2017)
- If you think I could not have put it there, you are probably right (9-9-2016)
- Don’t force the poem to fit your spot. (8-20-2016)
- Chest weights 42 pounds plus, best to have gloves (3-11-2016)
- After reading (Dal’s Blog) I am prompted to ask, have you considered the what ifs (3-4-2016)
- Your destination is small, but its location is huge (2-19-2016)
- Don’t let logic distract you from the poem (2-12-2016)
- A good solve is frequently lost in a poor execution (1-15-2016)
- Complacency is the misuse of imagination (12-19-2015)
- If you know precisely where it is you can probably retrieve it in any weather (12-11-2015)
- Shut your engine off until spring (12-04-2015)
- You will ignore the poem at your own peril (11-27-2015)
Other things Forrest has said:
- What is a Blaze? “Anything that stands out.” (Dal’s Blog – Forrest Gets Mail from a Middle School Class – February 8, 2017)
- The poem’s punctuation has no meaning towards the solution – (hintofriches.com – Fenn Clarifies Punctuation – August 14, 2018)
- “The treasure chest is not under water, nor is it near the Rio Grande River. It is not necessary to move large rocks or climb up or down a steep precipice,” he writes. “Please remember that I was about 80 when I made two trips from my vehicle to where I hid the treasure.” – (CNBC – April 17, 2018)
- “It helps to know something about Rocky Mountain geography when making plans to search for my treasure. Rocking chair ideas can lead one to the first few clues, but a physical presence is needed to complete the solve. Google Earth cannot help with the last clue.” – (MysteriousWritings Blog – Six Questions / February 4, 2008)
- “Not under a man-made object” – (Dal’s Blog – June 29, 2017)
- “The last time I was up there was 1950.” (Yellowstone or West Yellowstone) (Isaac Cole’s Podcast / On the Road With Charlie / May 8, 2017)
- “It’s hidden in a pretty good place. It’s difficult to find, but certainty isn’t impossible.” (Isaac Cole’s Podcast / On the Road With Charlie / May 8, 2017)
- “That poem was really written by an architect. Every word was placed in there strategically, and you can’t ignore any of the nouns.” (Isaac Cole’s Podcast / On the Road With Charlie / May 8, 2017)
- “Those who solve the first clue are more than half way to the treasure…” (Dal’s Site / SB 167 / February 25, 2017)
- “I hid the treasure in a place that is not especially difficult to reach.” (Westword – Forrest Fenn on Death of Randy Bilyeu / August 11, 2016)
- “Physics tells me the treasure is wet.” (MysteriousWritings Blog – Featured Question: Wet Physics / July 29, 2016)
- “The solve is difficult for many searchers because their minds think the clues are tougher to decrypt than they really are. Until now I have resisted telling [searchers] to get back in the box where their thoughts are comfortable and flow more easily. The blueprint is challenging so the treasure may be located by the one who can adjust.” (MysteriousWritings Blog – Featured Question: Get Back in the Box / July 1, 2016)
- “I wish I had another treasure to hide in the Appalachians. The little girl in India cannot get closer than the first two clues.” (MysteriousWritings Blog – Six Questions with Forrest Fenn: Over Five Years of The Thrill of the Chase/ February 4, 2016)
- In response to being asked: “Can a little girl in India, who speaks good English, only has your poem and a map of the US Rocky Mountains, work out where the treasure is?”
- “Until someone finds the treasure they will not know for sure that they have discovered the first clue.” (Dal’s Blog – “Forrest Gets Mail – 9 / November 2, 2015)
- “The problem searchers make is that they don’t dwell long enough on the first clue. If you can’t find the first clue you don’t have anything. People driving down the street looking for a blaze, because THAT’S ONE OF THE CLUES, but you can’t start in the middle of the poem and find the treasure.” (Outside: Live Bravely – August 11, 2015)
- “Brown trout have nothing to do with home of Brown” (ChaseChat – Quoting an email from Fenn – July 11, 2015) (Update: I have confirmed this with Fenn myself)
- “If I was standing where the treasure chest is, I see trees, I see mountains, I see animals, I’ll smell wonderful smells of pine needles or pinon nuts, sage brush. And I know the treasure chest is wet.” – (New Mexico True Story – February 4, 2015)
- Forrest responded the next day saying – “I just watched that New Mexico Tourism video again and must say that I didn’t say what I was thinking. You cannot smell a pinon nut, but those who pick them know that in doing so you get pine pitch all over your hands, and pine pitch smells about the same no matter what kind of pine tree you are talking about. Looking back I think I wanted to say I could smell pine needles, not pinon nuts. Sorry I kicked a hornet’s nest with that comment.” – (Dal’s Blog – Forrest LIVE on HuffPost.. / February 5, 2015)
- Another response – “That video didn’t have any clues.” “Fenn said if the treasure were in the wilderness, of course it would be wet….he erred in mentioning pinon nuts. He really meant pine needles” – (The New Mexican – February 8, 2015)
- “What surprises me a little is that nobody to my uncertain knowledge has analyzed one important possibility related to the winning solve.” (MysteriousWritings Blog – Six Questions Yet Again with Forrest Fenn: Always a Treasure! / February 4, 2015)
- “…suggested that searchers consider the what ifs.” (MysteriousWritings Blog – Featured Question – The What Ifs – March 24, 2016)
- “I will say that I walked less than a few miles (whole trip of hiding the chest and treasure) if that will help. I just looked “few” up and one definition is “scant.” Why do I sound like I’m talking in circles” – (MysteriousWritings Blog – Talking in Circles/ October 13, 2014)
- “While it’s not impossible to remove the blaze it isn’t feasible to try, and I am certain it’s still there” (Dal’s Blog – The Nine Clues…Part Thirtyone / September 26, 2014)
- “The CE5 phrase on the treasure chest is of no value to searchers” (Dal’s Blog – The Nine Clues…Part Thirtyone / September 26, 2014)
- “There are many places in the Rocky Mountains where warm waters halt, and nearly all of them are north of Santa Fe. Look at the big picture, there are no short cuts.” (MysteriousWritings Blog – Featured Questions: Warm Waters and Geography / August 12, 2014)
- “The spot where I hid the treasure was in my mind from the time I first started thinking about the chase. It is special to me and there was never another consideration. I was going to make it work no matter what. In my reverie I often find myself stealing away to that place and I will always consider it to be mine.” (MysteriousWritings Blog – Questions with Forrest / July 5, 2014)
- “When I am in the moutains or in the desert, the last place I want to be is on a trail…..There isn’t a human trail in very close proximaty to where I hid the treasure” (MysteriousWritings Blog – Questions with Forrest / June 28, 2014)
- “No specialized knowledge is required…..My Thrill of the Chase book is enough to lead an average person to the treasure” (MysteriousWritings Blog – Questions with Forrest / June 27, 2014)
- “The clues did not exist when I was a kid but of most of the places the clues refer to did. I think they might still exist in 100 years.” (MysteriousWritings Blog – Questions with Forrest / June 25, 2014)
- “Many are giving serious thought to the clues in my poem, but only a few are in tight focus with a word that is key.” (MysteriousWritings Blog – Questions with Forrest / February 4, 2014)
- “When I hid it and was walking back to my car, I started laughing out loud and I said ‘Forrest Fenn…did you really do that?’” – (Moby Dickens Book Shop Signing / November 2, 2013)
- “There are several people that have deciphered the first two clues. I don’t think they knew it, because they walked right on past the treasure chest.”– (Moby Dickens Book Shop Signing / November 2, 2013)
- “I think kids have an advantage (finding the treasure). Don’t ask me to explain that.” – (Moby Dickens Book Shop Signing / November 2, 2013)
- “…that’s why I told people I hid the treasure chest when I was 79 or 80 years old because I don’t want the exact date to be known because I’m afraid somebody will go check the rental car records and how many miles did Mr. Fenn put on the truck or the car…so I don’t answer those kinda questions…but shoot that person that sent in that email…” – (Moby Dickens Book Shop Signing / November 2, 2013)
- “I have not had anybody tell me the answer to that clue (the unintended one in TFTW). If you read my preface it doesn’t take a genius to figure out, I think, what they’re talking about but…there are clues in my new book that can help a person.” – – (Moby Dickens Book Shop Signing / November 2, 2013)
- “I’ve said before the treasure chest is heavy. And it…I made two trips to hide it where I wanted it to be.” – (Collected Works Bookstore Signing / October 22, 2013)
- “What is wrong with me just riding my bike out there and throwing it in the ‘water high’ when I am through with it?” – (Dal’s Blog – “Forrest Gets Mail… / October 3, 2012)
- “No need to look for the treasure in a place where a 79 or 80 year old man couldn’t go with a 44 pound treasure chest full of gold and precious gems.” – (Dal’s Blog – “Forrest Gets Mail… / October 3, 2012)
- “My church is in the mountains and along the river bottoms where dreams and fantasies alike go to play” (The Thrill of the Chase – page 4
Forrest has said the best place to help in solving the poem is in his book, Thrill of the Chase. This book is filled with family stories of Yellowstone and none may be more convincing that the treasure is in Yellowstone than his words from the chapter: Flywater.
“….places where I fished as a kid under the tutelage of my father……Those great places, which were personal secrets to me then, are now busy with flourish of fisherman and women who cast a midge or floating cadis upon those same waters, never knowing I had been there, or even caring yes or no. I always thought that space was mine alone, and many of the memories there bred are even now still so personal that they exclude the intrusion of strangers. How dare they go there?” (TOTC, Pages 124-125).
Forrest later talks about his ‘secret’ on the MysteriousWritings blog – Questions with Forrest on July 5, 214, “The spot where I hid the treasure was in my mind from the time I first started thinking about the chase. It is special to me and there was never another consideration. I was going to make it work not matter what. In my reverie I often find myself stealing away to that place and I will always consider it to be mine.”
Now you have to ask yourself, do these two comments sound like they are talking about the exact same place?
Notice how I highlighted “I fished as a kid,” that is because 100% of his stories in the book talk about his summers fishing in Yellowstone (mostly by the Madison River). Seems reasonable to me that these comments are one and the same. Thoughts?
Is this a picture of Forrest’s secret?
“Thrill of the Chase” – Page 124